Power to the People and the Concern of Censorship

Calm down, dear. No-one's touched this album. It's not had anything deleted. You can still get it on vinyl, CD, downloads and streaming.

A live Madison Square Garden performance of the song was published in 1986 on the "Live In New York City" album. The Madison Square Garden versions of the song are deleted on the upcoming box set.

John's final professionally filmed and recorded concerts will now be incomplete due to the setlist deletions.

It's also one of the stronger songs on the album, and it would have been nice to hear the alternate takes, live versions and improved mixes in the new box.
 
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A live Madison Square Garden performance of the song was published in 1986 on the "Live In New York City" album. The Madison Square Garden versions of the song are deleted on the upcoming box set.

John's final professionally filmed and recorded concerts will now be incomplete due to the setlist deletions.

It's also one of the stronger songs on the album, and it would have been nice to hear the alternate takes, live versions and improved mixes in
I get that the song “Woman is…” has a message to it, as I think we’re all saying. But it’s just the wording, specifically a slur, is off color. John and Yoko wrote a lot of good songs , but this one because of that word, has probably been left out.

Again, true censorship is totally erasing the song. It’s still on YouTube, it’s still on iTunes. It’s not gone. I’d go so far to say if it is the slur that made the song strong and not the message then what’s the point of the song?

It is my belief that Sean and the estate left the song out because no matter the power of its message, the slur doesn’t justify anything.
 
Hmmm... Guys... The song still exists... Calm down, please. And be aware that you guys are talking to John Lennon's son and his team, a
Hmmm... Guys... The song still exists... Calm down, please. And be aware that you guys are talking to John Lennon's son and his team, a lovely group of people that

Hmmm... Guys... The song still exists... Calm down, please. And be aware that you guys are talking to John Lennon's son and his team, a lovely group of people that worked hard to make that brilliant idea to us.
A very good point, thank you Ingryd!
 
Well, I’m glad you have a sense of humour about it and I have to say your edits are very talented (I noticed you’re the same person who posted about the I’m Losing You footage mystery, which has long been one of my favourite threads on this forum) - so thanks for giving me a laugh even with your frustration.

I hope you can still manage to enjoy the remixed, many never-before-heard 123 other tracks on the boxset too, although I know that might be a bit of an ask!
 
Well, I’m glad you have a sense of humour about it and I have to say your edits are very talented (I noticed you’re the same person who posted about the I’m Losing You footage mystery, which has long been one of my favourite threads on this forum) - so thanks for giving me a laugh even with your frustration.

I hope you can still manage to enjoy the remixed, many never-before-heard 123 other tracks on the boxset too, although I know that might be a bit of an ask!

Thanks! I can certainly appreciate the pickle that Sean was in. The N word is a “third rail” today (and also was in 1972). Many might not understand the intent of the lyric, and this box set is a commercial product.

And I will certainly pick up the new box and enjoy the other 123 tracks!

My two cents: The forbidden word as used by the Lennons in the song was intended to exorcise racism and the pliers of societal oppression against women in both its explicit and subtle forms.

The song is unsettling, uncommercial, unconventional and it challenges the listener to think like no other song I can think of. And more than 50 years later, the song is still relevant. There is still racism today, and women still earn a fraction of what men do for the same job.

Sean has done such a beautiful job with the mixing on these recent box sets. I was looking forward to hearing the studio version of this song remixed and freed from the low fidelity sonic sludge of Phil Spector’s 1972 horrible original mixes. Similarly, Sean’s new mixes of the 1972 Madison Square Garden concerts are also an amazing upgrade over the horrible 1986 "Live In New York" mixes.

I hope Sean can find an alternate, lower profile way to release an upgraded remix of the studio master and newly mixed live versions of the song to the fans. Maybe a download code in the box -- or hidden tracks on the CDs (similar to the Mind Games box) could be a potential solution?

As ham-fisted and shocking as the lyric has always been, I see the song as similar to the Lennon Bed-In peace campaign in the sense they use their media celebrity to confront societal injustices, spur debate and change the system for the better.
 
Thanks! I can certainly appreciate the pickle that Sean was in. The N word is a “third rail” today (and also was in 1972). Many might not understand the intent of the lyric, and this box set is a commercial product.

And I will certainly pick up the new box and enjoy the other 123 tracks!

My two cents: The forbidden word as used by the Lennons in the song was intended to exorcise racism and the pliers of societal oppression against women in both its explicit and subtle forms.

The song is unsettling, uncommercial, unconventional and it challenges the listener to think like no other song I can think of. And more than 50 years later, the song is still relevant. There is still racism today, and women still earn a fraction of what men do for the same job.

Sean has done such a beautiful job with the mixing on these recent box sets. I was looking forward to hearing the studio version of this song remixed and freed from the low fidelity sonic sludge of Phil Spector’s 1972 horrible original mixes. Similarly, Sean’s new mixes of the 1972 Madison Square Garden concerts are also an amazing upgrade over the horrible 1986 "Live In New York" mixes.

I hope Sean can find an alternate, lower profile way to release an upgraded remix of the studio master and newly mixed live versions of the song to the fans. Maybe a download code in the box -- or hidden tracks on the CDs (similar to the Mind Games box) could be a potential solution?

As ham-fisted and shocking as the lyric has always been, I see the song as similar to the Lennon Bed-In peace campaign in the sense they use their media celebrity to confront societal injustices, spur debate and change the system for the better.
100% agree. It also upsets me that we are expected to shut up and throw our entire support behind this release despite the censorship. Is that what John and Yoko would have done in 1972? I don’t think so.

I think a well-meaning attempt to avoid controversy has instead resulted in the Streisand Effect. I’m not blaming Sean, even if it was his decision; but I hope that this song will become available in some form after the set has had its release.

I have a question about another song, which adds fuel to the fire. Yoko’s Sisters, O Sisters is not included on the live release, either. That song didn’t use the N-word. Why has it been removed as well? Is it because of feminism? Because now there are NO feminist songs in the One To One concert. I’d really like to know why it’s not included. Mods?
 
100% agree. It also upsets me that we are expected to shut up and throw our entire support behind this release despite the censorship. Is that what John and Yoko would have done in 1972? I don’t think so.

I think a well-meaning attempt to avoid controversy has instead resulted in the Streisand Effect. I’m not blaming Sean, even if it was his decision; but I hope that this song will become available in some form after the set has had its release.

I have a question about another song, which adds fuel to the fire. Yoko’s Sisters, O Sisters is not included on the live release, either. That song didn’t use the N-word. Why has it been removed as well? Is it because of feminism? Because now there are NO feminist songs in the One To One concert. I’d really like to know why it’s not included. Mods?
The song is literally available everywhere, on every streaming platform! You can find it everywhere under John's official accounts. The decision made was that they wouldn't be re-reasing/remixing it this time, that's all.

The situation about Sisters O Sisters was already addressed and explained by the John Lennon Estate:

Post in thread '🔴 POWER THE PEOPLE - Deluxe Box Set - Unboxing Video' https://forum.citizenofnutopia.com/...deluxe-box-set-unboxing-video.3074/post-11791
 
100% agree. It also upsets me that we are expected to shut up and throw our entire support behind this release despite the censorship. Is that what John and Yoko would have done in 1972? I don’t think so.

I think a well-meaning attempt to avoid controversy has instead resulted in the Streisand Effect. I’m not blaming Sean, even if it was his decision; but I hope that this song will become available in some form after the set has had its release.

I have a question about another song, which adds fuel to the fire. Yoko’s Sisters, O Sisters is not included on the live release, either. That song didn’t use the N-word. Why has it been removed as well? Is it because of feminism? Because now there are NO feminist songs in the One To One concert. I’d really like to know why it’s not included. Mods?
Sisters O Sisters wasn’t included due to the quality
 
The song is literally available everywhere, on every streaming platform! You can find it everywhere under John's official accounts. The decision made was that they wouldn't be re-reasing/remixing it this time, that's all.

The situation about Sisters O Sisters was already addressed and explained by the John Lennon Estate:

Post in thread '🔴 POWER THE PEOPLE - Deluxe Box Set - Unboxing Video' https://forum.citizenofnutopia.com/...deluxe-box-set-unboxing-video.3074/post-11791
I read that thread. They said it was the quality AND the balance of John vs Yoko material. So he gets ten songs, and she gets five. 2 to 1. I see how it is. You bet John would see, too.

Didn’t he say something just before he died about giving Yoko equal time in photos and on record?

As far as the “quality”: Why is it worse quality than the rest of the material? And isn’t that what remixing and AI is for? They sure improved Now and Then.

I’m very disappointed, as a Yoko fan. There are some of us. And I hope Sean reboxes her albums with as much effort and love as he’s put into his father’s work.
 
I read that thread. They said it was the quality AND the balance of John vs Yoko material. So he gets ten songs, and she gets five. 2 to 1. I see how it is. You bet John would see, too.

Didn’t he say something just before he died about giving Yoko equal time in photos and on record?

As far as the “quality”: Why is it worse quality than the rest of the material? And isn’t that what remixing and AI is for? They sure improved Now and Then.

I’m very disappointed, as a Yoko fan. There are some of us. And I hope Sean reboxes her albums with as much effort and love as he’s put into his father’s work.
I see what you mean, but the team that works with John's releases is the same that works taking care of Yoko's works, they are always thinking about her, never ever pretending that she and John didn't share everything as we know they did, and Sean is involved as a son and as a professional in everything. I trust they will always do what's best when it comes to Yoko as well.

But it's important to understand that some things are just beyond the John&Yoko Estates' team, just like a lot of the Now And Then release was for example.
 
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And I hope Sean reboxes her albums with as much effort and love as he’s put into his father’s work.
Me too. Secretly Canadian did a fantastic job of Yoko’s 70s work and I really hope it continues at some point into her 80s albums (and A Story, 1974 but released in the Onobox in the 90s) - I really, really want to be able to listen to Season of Glass, It’s Alright (I See Rainbows), and Starpeace on Spotify and other places.

I don’t think, however, everything always comes down to Sean and the team - who have always valued Yoko’s work very highly. I think we’re in an unfortunate position where people who make these decisions also view Yoko’s songs as somewhat more replaceable. As someone who is a bigger fan of Yoko’s art than I am of John’s (there’s not much difference, of course I still love John and the Beatles) I must say I am also slightly disappointed, but I understand their reasons.
 
I read that thread. They said it was the quality AND the balance of John vs Yoko material. So he gets ten songs, and she gets five. 2 to 1. I see how it is. You bet John would see, too.

Didn’t he say something just before he died about giving Yoko equal time in photos and on record?

As far as the “quality”: Why is it worse quality than the rest of the material? And isn’t that what remixing and AI is for? They sure improved Now and Then.

I’m very disappointed, as a Yoko fan. There are some of us. And I hope Sean reboxes her albums with as much effort and love as he’s put into his father’s work.
I truly don’t think it’s anything personal. They work with the material they have and try to salvage as much as they can. As I’ve said, there’s so much that goes on behind the scenes that we’re unaware of that go into these releases. If there’s more in the future, bring it on!
 
I’ve seen lots of negative remarks on Instagram and YouTube about the fact that “Woman..” is missing from the new Power to the People box set/album. I’d like to add my two cents and say I don’t believe it is truly censorship on @Sean ‘s part to omit this song. What John and Yoko were saying in that song was that women in our global society are treated like second class citizens, among other citizens who are treated like second class citizens. They had a point and chose a very incendiary word to make their point.

Just because they used the word doesn’t mean it needs saying again. I think Sean recognized this and decided to leave this one out, not because the song isn’t important, but because language like the word they used isn’t needed in the world today. We should be far enough along that we can better express ourselves. At least I hope we are.

Anyways, that’s it. All Power to the Peoples!
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Good point!
I think Sean was given a difficult decision to make, and even so he did a great job here, because:

- he chose to put the focus on the One To One concerts instead focusing on the original album, so artistically it was a smart decision. For me it became even more interesting set than a STINYC Ultimate Collection.
- I think the Universal made this censorship, not Sean, Simon or Lennon’s team. For me it’s entirely on Universal’s side to veto this song.
- We not only have the original version physically and digitally, but also the 2 live performances audio (Live In New York City and John Lennon Anthology) and video (Live in NYC).
- So because of one song we would be privy of the rest of this set with TONS of previously unreleased material with stuff that wasn’t available on bootlegs?

Well Well Well…we have so much contents and music to enjoy!

And congratulations for everybody who did this fantastic box!
 
I see what you mean, but the team that works with John's releases is the same that works taking care of Yoko's works, they are always thinking about her, never ever pretending that she and John didn't share everything as we know they did, and Sean is involved as a son and as a professional in everything. I trust they will always do what's best when it comes to Yoko as well.

But it's important to understand that some things are just beyond the John&Yoko Estates' team, just like a lot of the Now And Then release was for example.

Yeah, Mari!
I think it’s entirely Universal Music and lawyers fault, not Sean :)
 
Good point!
I think Sean was given a difficult decision to make, and even so he did a great job here, because:

- he chose to put the focus on the One To One concerts instead focusing on the original album, so artistically it was a smart decision. For me it became even more interesting set than a STINYC Ultimate Collection.
- I think the Universal made this censorship, not Sean, Simon or Lennon’s team. For me it’s entirely on Universal’s side to veto this song.
- We not only have the original version physically and digitally, but also the 2 live performances audio (Live In New York City and John Lennon Anthology) and video (Live in NYC).
- So because of one song we would be privy of the rest of this set with TONS of previously unreleased material with stuff that wasn’t available on bootlegs?

Well Well Well…we have so much contents and music to enjoy!

And congratulations for everybody who did this fantastic box!

And also: want to hear a remixed version?
Listen to the 2005 edition of STINYC and you’ll find that song remixed :)
 
Agreed with so much of what has been said above!

It might also be valuable to consider that 'censorship' may not be the right word to use for this situation - this was a deliberate decision with both artistic and real-world implications, made by those either producing or releasing the set, and this was arguably the best way to handle it tactfully and gracefully. We all know how much Sean, Simon, and everyone involved care for the fans' appreciation of their incredible work - as evidenced by the existence of our forum!

Excluding something which had potential to jeopardize the release entirely and obscure John and Yoko's true intentions was the right choice - and instead, they now get to deliver an extraordinary amount of content that will please as many fans as possible while ensuring it is approachable and relatable for new fans to learn about and immerse themselves in as well.

It's important to remember these releases not only please the existing fanbase we make but seek to include as many new members as possible. With each release, it's important to make it accessible for those potential listeners, and that song's inclusion here might have undermined that.

There is no doubt this was a difficult decision, no matter how far up or down the ladder the final say was made - but to get as much of John and Yoko's music and message out there to as many listeners as possible, which is the ultimate end goal, they did the right thing. A decision made out of respect and care, not for lack of it! :)
 
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There's a very intelligent post by Sean Murdock on the Steve Hoffman Forums, that I strongly encourage you to read, share and discuss.

He says:

I want to say up front, I am 30 pages behind in this thread, and Vagabond, I quoted you and I'm replying to you, but I don't mean to single you out -- I am responding to the dozens of previous pages of this endless debate that I have slogged through while remaining silent. I have to say my piece about this, But I really hope there's a big Beatles announcement coming soon so we can move on.

I am in the middle of a career transition for reasons I don't need to get into; I am training to be a mental health counselor (a therapist, a "shrink," etc.). I relay this because I hope to explain some of the current thinking that might be behind this decision to leave "Woman Is..." off the new Lennon box. I'm doing to use a phrase that might outrage people in this thread even more than the n-word, but no one has said it plainly yet (as of Thursday), so I'm saying it. This situation is not about racism or feminism -- and it's also not about bravery vs courage, or free speech vs censorship. It's about white privilege.

Everything Vagabond said about John above is true. I was personally inspired by John's pro-woman stance, and it was literally because of his house-husband phase that I wanted to work from home and raise my kids -- which I did. But all of these good things John did can be true and laudable, while still having a blind spot as a privileged white man that caused him to make the poor decision to use that terrible word in a song, even if he was sincerely trying to make an important point.

But let's circle back to "white privilege" for a second, because there may be some blood boiling in the room. "Privilege" is not exclusively a "white" domain, but white privilege -- and specifically white male privilege -- refers to the pervasive and omnipresent systems that have existed for centuries to support white people, and especially white men. Considering this -- even if you reject the premise -- can be disturbing and upsetting. But this is not just a concern for "po-faced hipsters," overly "woke" Gen Z-ers, or professional online outrage manufacturers. It's a thing we all live with, whether we know it or not.

There's an exercise I've done several times, and for me it was incredibly eye-opening. It's called the "ADDRESSING" model, and it's a way to understand the areas of privilege where you do (or don't) benefit. Of the 10 categories, only one is about race. White people often feel defensive and unfairly attacked when confronted by these ideas; this is normal and understandable, especially when you have benefited from these unseen forces your entire life. For the exercise, you look at each of the 10 categories, and ask yourself if you are in the dominant group or not. It's not a trick or a trap, you just have to be honest:

A - Age (being between 30-60 years old)
D - Disability (developmental or intellectual)
D - Disability (later in life, like a debilitating disease, accident, etc.)
R - Religion (Christian or secular are dominant)
E - Ethnic and racial identity (European and European American are dominant)
S - Socioeconomic status (middle or upper class)
S - Sexual orientation (heterosexual is dominant)
I - Indigenous heritage (NOT having indigenous heritage is dominant)
N - National origin (if you live in the country you were born in)
G - Gender (male is dominant)

Believe me, it was humbling to sit in a classroom with so many students who were female, not white, LGBTQ+, from immigrant families, from poor backgrounds, etc. -- while I had to admit I was in the dominant group in all 10 categories. It has reshaped the way I think about the world, and other people. I'm explaining all this because I've read a ton of complaining about this one unfortunate song, and I'm sensing the same privilege-based blind spot that caused John to write it in the first place. (I know the phrase may have originally been Yoko's; she certainly had many fewer areas of privilege than John did ... but she still used that word carelessly and hurtfully.)

John Lennon was a complicated man. He was a seeker, a thinker, and he was willing to be outrageous in order to spread what he though were important messages. He went from endorsing domestic violence ("Run For Your Life") to repenting for it just two years later ("Getting Better"). He was a staunch feminist who also cheated on his wife on a whim, and almost destroyed his marriage. We can all be fans of him and his better angels, and still feel that he had no right to take that word, with its centuries of pain and oppression for Black people, and use it for his feminist song.

To call the decision to leave this song off the Power To The People box censorship is misguided. This is not about runaway "wokeism" (another woefully misunderstood term), or over-sensitive snowflakes. It's about acknowledging that the word is hurtful, and John probably hurt more people than he helped by using it -- surely not at all what he intended. Yes, it was reissued multiple times, from its first CD issue to various remixes and remasters -- but it's 2025, not 2010, or 2005, or 1990, or whatever. In the U.S. right now, Confederate memorials and names that had been rightfully scrubbed from existence (they did lose the war, and their slavery fight, back in 1865, after all) are being *restored* in the name of fighting the "woke mob" -- and the perpetrators of this disgrace are using the same wrong-minded rallying cries of fighting censorship and preserving history.

John Lennon wasn't a racist, as far as I can tell. He didn't have a racist intent when he wrote that song, as far as I can tell. But it was still a mistake, in my opinion. He was a rich white man, and he felt he could do and say what he wanted, especially if he was speaking out for a righteous cause. He was sensitive to the racism he had encountered in his relationship with Yoko, but he was not sensitive to the enduring pain he would cause Black people by using that word. That doesn't make him a bad person. It makes him a person who lived decades ago and wrote a song in 1972 that is hurtful today. He didn't think it would be, but it is. We didn't get the "no Pakistanis" version of "Get Back" in the Let It Be box for the same reason. It's not censorship; it's being sensitive to the feelings of others -- something we all believe the Beatles wanted to be.

I've read a lot of protests that "John wouldn't approve of this." No -- *you* don't approve of this, and you want John to back you up. (The global "you," not Vagabond.) Claiming to know what the long-dead would think today about anything is an intellectual fallacy and a trap, folks. Sure, maybe 85-year-old John might have dug in his heels and defiantly defended this song. But because he was a thinker, because he was a seeker, he also might have reflected on it in the past 45 years and decided that maybe it wasn't his best decision. Elvis Costello also has a song from the 1970s with that word in it; I'm sure he thought himself quite the provocateur when he wrote it. He stopped playing it live a couple of years ago.

I don't know, and we don't know. It's tragic that John isn't here to make that decision himself, but I trust that Sean, who is the only person left with the authority to try to guess correctly, made this decision thoughtfully and not carelessly.
 
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There's a very intelligent post by Sean Murdock on the Steve Hoffman Forums, that I strongly encourage you to read, share and discuss.

He says:
Fantastic 👏🏻 this is it really! And the fact that, as I said before, the majority of people who are fervently complaining about that decision are, in truth, white men, says it all too. The privilege of “control” - that comes with all that Sean mentioned - and that they are not having this time because of the team’s thoughtful decision is evidently why they are not approving this.

Thank you for sharing it here too, GDN! Really important reflection.
 
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